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		<title>By: We&#8217;ve Been Zuckered &#8212; Weis Words</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-58054</link>
		<dc:creator>We&#8217;ve Been Zuckered &#8212; Weis Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 01:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] site is facing a bad publicity blitz that seems to be more intense than when it rolled out the news feed, and possibly worse than when it botched Beacon. This, as danah boyd calls it, radical transparency [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] site is facing a bad publicity blitz that seems to be more intense than when it rolled out the news feed, and possibly worse than when it botched Beacon. This, as danah boyd calls it, radical transparency [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Twitter and the Library of Congress &#171; Fred Stutzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter and the Library of Congress &#171; Fred Stutzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a great opportunity to plug the work of Helen Nissenbaum, whose most recent book Privacy in Context extends the argument for privacy as contextual integrity.  Nissenbaum argues that disclosures have contextual expectations, and that shifting these expectations constitutes a meaningful violation of privacy and freedom.  Even though the tweets are public, it is a fallacy to assume that digital content shared in public was created with an understanding that the content would end up in a third-party, government-managed archive.  Facebook&#8217;s helped us demonstrate again and again that privacy is both qualitative and quantitative. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is a great opportunity to plug the work of Helen Nissenbaum, whose most recent book Privacy in Context extends the argument for privacy as contextual integrity.  Nissenbaum argues that disclosures have contextual expectations, and that shifting these expectations constitutes a meaningful violation of privacy and freedom.  Even though the tweets are public, it is a fallacy to assume that digital content shared in public was created with an understanding that the content would end up in a third-party, government-managed archive.  Facebook&#8217;s helped us demonstrate again and again that privacy is both qualitative and quantitative. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Egon</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Egon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea presented here, but I have a differing opinion. Isn&#039;t it better to try and get people comfortable with their personalities than their &quot;online personalities&quot;? I admit this does pose a problem to people, but not the problem you are suggesting. The problem is this, &quot;Do you want your friends to know everything about you or do you want to be able to hide things from them?&quot; You still have that choice. You can stop using facebook all together. I think this, in a slightly Orwellian way, gets us to just possibly accept that our friends are more than what we&#039;ve known of them, and are still people we want to know, for all the faults they have. I consider being able to have someone know me better is the only way I can find those who should be near to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea presented here, but I have a differing opinion. Isn&#8217;t it better to try and get people comfortable with their personalities than their &#8220;online personalities&#8221;? I admit this does pose a problem to people, but not the problem you are suggesting. The problem is this, &#8220;Do you want your friends to know everything about you or do you want to be able to hide things from them?&#8221; You still have that choice. You can stop using facebook all together. I think this, in a slightly Orwellian way, gets us to just possibly accept that our friends are more than what we&#8217;ve known of them, and are still people we want to know, for all the faults they have. I consider being able to have someone know me better is the only way I can find those who should be near to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Stutzman</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Stutzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew - you&#039;ve nailed the essence perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew &#8211; you&#8217;ve nailed the essence perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Patterson</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Great observations.  I like your analogy of &quot;dressing for the world&quot;.  The feeds also kill users ability to experiment with different ideas in their profile.  Knowing that everyone will see a change to a profile reduces the users likelihood of test new elements in their profile.  To use your dresing analogy, I may try a new look (say trade in my khakis for a set of prada pants), knowing that I will likely encounter certain people that day and can test my new look on them.  If I knew I was going to see everyone from my mother to an ex to my boss, I might be inclined to stick with khakis.  Social experimentation is much harder when everyone is looking.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;drew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>Great observations.  I like your analogy of &#8220;dressing for the world&#8221;.  The feeds also kill users ability to experiment with different ideas in their profile.  Knowing that everyone will see a change to a profile reduces the users likelihood of test new elements in their profile.  To use your dresing analogy, I may try a new look (say trade in my khakis for a set of prada pants), knowing that I will likely encounter certain people that day and can test my new look on them.  If I knew I was going to see everyone from my mother to an ex to my boss, I might be inclined to stick with khakis.  Social experimentation is much harder when everyone is looking.</p>
<p>drew</p>
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		<title>By: Bertil</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I believe you are right: this looks like a camera in your dressing room. . . And however, I&#039;m not sure the worst is always the most revealing. Have you noticed that, at the doctor&#039;s, you undresss behing a curtain, and then let come back in your underwear? What&#039;s the point in hiding if you have to show it all? Being visible to someon of the art is fine; leting see changes is, somehow, not so.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve always consdered the most undecent film ever shot is Rohmer&#039;s &quot;Claire&#039;s Knee&quot;: not a square inch of skin, no unproper language, nothing PG-worty, nothing---but for two hours, he decribes meticulously a man&#039;s fantasy (a thirty-somehthing wants to caress the knee of a girl five year younger). Why is that so shocking? Because one&#039;s though will always be his best kept secret. Because many type those weird questions that they use to keep for themselves (and sometime their trustful best friend) in the resquest line of search engines, the logs of Google and others became the most fantacized database ever. . .&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I recently was at a party: the restroom had a window that you could see through from where I stood in the dance floor (odd architecture, I reckon); no big deal, it seemed: you could see nothing but at the height of the head of someone standing---however, a girl entered, and I saw here doing nothing but stand there, to check on her make-up. . . The way she looked at herself in the mirror! My, I felt like I learnt more on her in the ten seconds I dared to look than by talking to her for hours; I felt such a urge to look away! And I know most of your will blame me for those ten seconds of looking---at her eyes!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fred,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Your main factual point seemed to be (back to business) that befriending someone on Facebook is too little a commitment to access such a feed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Privacy is complex, and it is more about ackowledgement than real hiding. Do you remember ever refusing your e-mail address to someone who asked for it? Becuse the mere asking implies the relation can sustain mailing. Wouldn&#039;t this be fine if people had the link accessible from they website, and could send it to their friend, if needed? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m thinking of something like Google Calendar feed (Fred, see my e-mail signature, but please don&#039;t post it here): there is tremendously private information there, but I decided that some people could see it. I need some to know when I&#039;m available (to schedule some stats lessons or LaTeX introduction, see how sexy this can be); more people receive it than needed---but that is OK, it&#039;s my responsabilty (and I can reprogram it, or set it back to more privacy if needed).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, most people who don&#039;t know that there are revealing information would blame the provider for their misunderstanding---and privacy statements are more about making fraud understood than covered. And puting all public info in the same place is not strickly revealing, but it looks like it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I understand, to a programmer, this is odd---but remember all those blogger high-school students who left very harsh comments on their teachers and who got busted because social algorytms can help you find relevant pages even when the author carefully avoids all the wrong words? Lowering the barrier to get information is a big deal: you can make billions with it---or lose them if people would rather hide it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ClaimID is about making associations clear, with the concerned party active consent. Imagine a similar device, that could tell you where else on the internet someone with the same IP posted some &quot;public&quot; info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>I believe you are right: this looks like a camera in your dressing room. . . And however, I&#8217;m not sure the worst is always the most revealing. Have you noticed that, at the doctor&#8217;s, you undresss behing a curtain, and then let come back in your underwear? What&#8217;s the point in hiding if you have to show it all? Being visible to someon of the art is fine; leting see changes is, somehow, not so.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always consdered the most undecent film ever shot is Rohmer&#8217;s &#8220;Claire&#8217;s Knee&#8221;: not a square inch of skin, no unproper language, nothing PG-worty, nothing&#8212;but for two hours, he decribes meticulously a man&#8217;s fantasy (a thirty-somehthing wants to caress the knee of a girl five year younger). Why is that so shocking? Because one&#8217;s though will always be his best kept secret. Because many type those weird questions that they use to keep for themselves (and sometime their trustful best friend) in the resquest line of search engines, the logs of Google and others became the most fantacized database ever. . .</p>
<p>I recently was at a party: the restroom had a window that you could see through from where I stood in the dance floor (odd architecture, I reckon); no big deal, it seemed: you could see nothing but at the height of the head of someone standing&#8212;however, a girl entered, and I saw here doing nothing but stand there, to check on her make-up. . . The way she looked at herself in the mirror! My, I felt like I learnt more on her in the ten seconds I dared to look than by talking to her for hours; I felt such a urge to look away! And I know most of your will blame me for those ten seconds of looking&#8212;at her eyes!</p>
<p>Fred,</p>
<p>Your main factual point seemed to be (back to business) that befriending someone on Facebook is too little a commitment to access such a feed.</p>
<p>Privacy is complex, and it is more about ackowledgement than real hiding. Do you remember ever refusing your e-mail address to someone who asked for it? Becuse the mere asking implies the relation can sustain mailing. Wouldn&#8217;t this be fine if people had the link accessible from they website, and could send it to their friend, if needed? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of something like Google Calendar feed (Fred, see my e-mail signature, but please don&#8217;t post it here): there is tremendously private information there, but I decided that some people could see it. I need some to know when I&#8217;m available (to schedule some stats lessons or LaTeX introduction, see how sexy this can be); more people receive it than needed&#8212;but that is OK, it&#8217;s my responsabilty (and I can reprogram it, or set it back to more privacy if needed).</p>
<p>However, most people who don&#8217;t know that there are revealing information would blame the provider for their misunderstanding&#8212;and privacy statements are more about making fraud understood than covered. And puting all public info in the same place is not strickly revealing, but it looks like it.</p>
<p>I understand, to a programmer, this is odd&#8212;but remember all those blogger high-school students who left very harsh comments on their teachers and who got busted because social algorytms can help you find relevant pages even when the author carefully avoids all the wrong words? Lowering the barrier to get information is a big deal: you can make billions with it&#8212;or lose them if people would rather hide it.</p>
<p>ClaimID is about making associations clear, with the concerned party active consent. Imagine a similar device, that could tell you where else on the internet someone with the same IP posted some &#8220;public&#8221; info?</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, to add to your putting-on-your-clothes analogy--&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;it&#039;s not just &#039;what if everyone saw what i wore every single day&#039; but &#039;what if they saw how many times i changed outfits every morning before i left the house.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, to add to your putting-on-your-clothes analogy&#8211;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not just &#8216;what if everyone saw what i wore every single day&#8217; but &#8216;what if they saw how many times i changed outfits every morning before i left the house.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great, thorough, articulate analysis. this is the first response i&#039;ve read to the facebook changes (which i attempted to describe to my mother using the word &#039;cataclysm&#039;) that really nails it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;in response to brian&#039;s comment: the &#039;x&#039; button he describes only removes updates from a &#039;mini-feed&#039; list on users&#039; profiles. it does not remove the update from the main newsfeed on the homepage, and in some instances, &#039;x&#039;ing out an item on your mini-feed will cause another update to pop up on the homepage newsfeed incorrectly informing the community that you&#039;ve removed the updated item from your profile -- &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;e.g., if you add a movie to your favorite movies list, an alert appears on both the mini-feed and the homepage. if you then &#039;x&#039; out the mini-feed update, a notice will appear on the homepage saying (erroneously) that you have removed the movie from your movie list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great, thorough, articulate analysis. this is the first response i&#8217;ve read to the facebook changes (which i attempted to describe to my mother using the word &#8216;cataclysm&#8217;) that really nails it. </p>
<p>in response to brian&#8217;s comment: the &#8216;x&#8217; button he describes only removes updates from a &#8216;mini-feed&#8217; list on users&#8217; profiles. it does not remove the update from the main newsfeed on the homepage, and in some instances, &#8216;x&#8217;ing out an item on your mini-feed will cause another update to pop up on the homepage newsfeed incorrectly informing the community that you&#8217;ve removed the updated item from your profile &#8212; </p>
<p>e.g., if you add a movie to your favorite movies list, an alert appears on both the mini-feed and the homepage. if you then &#8216;x&#8217; out the mini-feed update, a notice will appear on the homepage saying (erroneously) that you have removed the movie from your movie list.</p>
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		<title>By: david silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>david silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent and spot on post.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;So I guess you could stay I&#039;m stepping out of my analyst role, and trying to be a user advocate.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;so: a user advocate that happens to be extremely knowledgeable about the environment and its users.  perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent and spot on post.  </p>
<p>&#8220;So I guess you could stay I&#8217;m stepping out of my analyst role, and trying to be a user advocate.&#8221;</p>
<p>so: a user advocate that happens to be extremely knowledgeable about the environment and its users.  perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2006/09/07/how-facebook-broke-its-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are really up in arms about nothing, if they don&#039;t want to have items on their feed (or anything on their feed) it&#039;s very easy to handle that. When reading an &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/facebook-users-revolt-facebook-replies/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article on Techcrunch&lt;/a&gt; the other day I found this out:&lt;br/&gt;&quot;No new information is being made available about users. Facebook privacy settings remain in their previous state, meaning you can have your information available throughout the network or just among your closest friends. Don?t want a particular piece of information to be syndicated out even to them? Remove any single piece of data by simply clicking the x button next to it and it will not appear in the news feed.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;So you just go to your profile page and you look at your Mini-Feed section and anything you don&#039;t want on your feed you click the X next to it. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.box.net/public/static/5ijm9v04i5.jpg&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Take a look at this picture&lt;/a&gt; to see what I&#039;m talking about. You can do this for as may items as you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are really up in arms about nothing, if they don&#8217;t want to have items on their feed (or anything on their feed) it&#8217;s very easy to handle that. When reading an <a HREF="http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/09/06/facebook-users-revolt-facebook-replies/" REL="nofollow">article on Techcrunch</a> the other day I found this out:<br />&#8220;No new information is being made available about users. Facebook privacy settings remain in their previous state, meaning you can have your information available throughout the network or just among your closest friends. Don?t want a particular piece of information to be syndicated out even to them? Remove any single piece of data by simply clicking the x button next to it and it will not appear in the news feed.&#8221;<br />So you just go to your profile page and you look at your Mini-Feed section and anything you don&#8217;t want on your feed you click the X next to it. <a HREF="http://www.box.net/public/static/5ijm9v04i5.jpg" REL="nofollow">Take a look at this picture</a> to see what I&#8217;m talking about. You can do this for as may items as you want.</p>
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