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		<title>By: software development company</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1240</link>
		<dc:creator>software development company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using a citation manager like Zotero plug-in in Firefox , you can drag and drop citations into your Google documents.I think it should work for you.</description>
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		<title>By: John Bachir</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bachir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by &quot;strip out&quot; I meant, extract and isolate the content of those tags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by &#8220;strip out&#8221; I meant, extract and isolate the content of those tags.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bachir</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bachir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of stating the obvious-- any tool which saves its data in XML or some other human-readable text markup, will at least make it possible to manage the documents in SVN.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;These include, if I am not mistaken: Open Office, Apple Pages, and... newer versions of Word? And of course LaTeX.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then the question becomes, which ones write their data in a way that is sensible enough for the diffs to be meaningful.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Further examination might reveal that you can achieve useful diffs using some relatively simple processing scripts. For example, maybe one of the formats has a bunch of proprietary tags for all kinds of formatting and meta information that you don&#039;t care about diffing, but it also has a clear place where it puts the &quot;real content&quot;... so you can parse the xml tree, strip out all the &lt;content&gt; tags, and then diff that content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of stating the obvious&#8211; any tool which saves its data in XML or some other human-readable text markup, will at least make it possible to manage the documents in SVN.</p>
<p>These include, if I am not mistaken: Open Office, Apple Pages, and&#8230; newer versions of Word? And of course LaTeX.</p>
<p>Then the question becomes, which ones write their data in a way that is sensible enough for the diffs to be meaningful.</p>
<p>Further examination might reveal that you can achieve useful diffs using some relatively simple processing scripts. For example, maybe one of the formats has a bunch of proprietary tags for all kinds of formatting and meta information that you don&#8217;t care about diffing, but it also has a clear place where it puts the &#8220;real content&#8221;&#8230; so you can parse the xml tree, strip out all the &lt;content&gt; tags, and then diff that content.</p>
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		<title>By: Avinash Nayak</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1101</link>
		<dc:creator>Avinash Nayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not try EndNote. I just heard about it and I&#039;ve heard it&#039;s a great tool to write research papers. I would recommend it. I got to use it. And it&#039;s great for citing sources etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not try EndNote. I just heard about it and I&#8217;ve heard it&#8217;s a great tool to write research papers. I would recommend it. I got to use it. And it&#8217;s great for citing sources etc.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1093</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend and SDP colleage Ismael asked me if I&#039;ve made a decision regarding workflow...here&#039;s what I wrote to him:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The answer is yes and no. In terms of conclusions, I&#039;ve found that there probably isn&#039;t a single system that supports what I want. I.e. no great integrated system. Word is likely quite robust (esp newer versions, I&#039;m still on Word X), but getting my stuff from Word into a SVN-like flow would require hand-copying and pasting or something like that. Which may end up being the solution.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve also found that citation manager integration seems to trump all. I use BibDesk, which integrates perfectly with TeXShop, but does not integrate with Word. This is likely the largest decision factor...Its hard enough to manage 20-40 references for a manuscript, but no way am I going to try to juggle the 200-300 I&#039;ll use on my thesis.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So what I think will happen is that I&#039;ll do basic drafting in Word, but the majority of my work will be done in TexShop, which will integrate perfectly with SVN and Bibdesk. I need to spend a few hours better understanding classes and latex markup, but once I get over that hurdle I imagine it won&#039;t feel much different than coding html or something like that.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend and SDP colleage Ismael asked me if I&#8217;ve made a decision regarding workflow&#8230;here&#8217;s what I wrote to him:</p>
<p>The answer is yes and no. In terms of conclusions, I&#8217;ve found that there probably isn&#8217;t a single system that supports what I want. I.e. no great integrated system. Word is likely quite robust (esp newer versions, I&#8217;m still on Word X), but getting my stuff from Word into a SVN-like flow would require hand-copying and pasting or something like that. Which may end up being the solution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also found that citation manager integration seems to trump all. I use BibDesk, which integrates perfectly with TeXShop, but does not integrate with Word. This is likely the largest decision factor&#8230;Its hard enough to manage 20-40 references for a manuscript, but no way am I going to try to juggle the 200-300 I&#8217;ll use on my thesis.</p>
<p>So what I think will happen is that I&#8217;ll do basic drafting in Word, but the majority of my work will be done in TexShop, which will integrate perfectly with SVN and Bibdesk. I need to spend a few hours better understanding classes and latex markup, but once I get over that hurdle I imagine it won&#8217;t feel much different than coding html or something like that.</p>
<p>- Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: lachlanhardy</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1092</link>
		<dc:creator>lachlanhardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d thought it was too simple for your needs, but since somebody mentioned Google Docs, I thought I&#039;d throw &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://writewith.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WriteWith&lt;/a&gt; in to the mix. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I use it for all my online writing now. In fact, all my writing. But, I&#039;m not writing a dissertation and our use cases are probably very different. Nonetheless, it&#039;s a very sweet tool for getting lots of text onto a page really easily and being able to revert versions simply.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d thought it was too simple for your needs, but since somebody mentioned Google Docs, I thought I&#8217;d throw <a HREF="http://writewith.com/" REL="nofollow">WriteWith</a> in to the mix. </p>
<p>I use it for all my online writing now. In fact, all my writing. But, I&#8217;m not writing a dissertation and our use cases are probably very different. Nonetheless, it&#8217;s a very sweet tool for getting lots of text onto a page really easily and being able to revert versions simply.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Kin Lane</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Kin Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use the &quot;Google Platform&quot; to help me build and evolve my central &quot;content platform&quot;.  For either one project or across all of them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I too am a software developer so I approach very similar. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Everything starts in Google Notebook, because I can harvest from a web page or blog with just a right click and it keeps the reference to the original piece.  I can also just capture my own thoughts as I am surfing using my firefox add-in as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I can then organize these &quot;notes&quot; into notebooks by relevancy.  I can further refine and handle the evolution by scripts using the Google Notebook API.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then as information and throughts mature I migrate to Google Docs with a simple right click in Google Notebook.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once in Google Docs I can refine more formally and with the assistance of others if necessary through collaboration.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then I can also organize data in spreadsheets and evolve aspects into presentations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;From there I can publish to blogger, PDF, a book or whatever publishing format I wish.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I like the Google Platform because of how the applications compliment and work together, however the API is the biggest piece that allows me to work with things programmatically using scripts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the &#8220;Google Platform&#8221; to help me build and evolve my central &#8220;content platform&#8221;.  For either one project or across all of them.</p>
<p>I too am a software developer so I approach very similar. </p>
<p>Everything starts in Google Notebook, because I can harvest from a web page or blog with just a right click and it keeps the reference to the original piece.  I can also just capture my own thoughts as I am surfing using my firefox add-in as well.</p>
<p>I can then organize these &#8220;notes&#8221; into notebooks by relevancy.  I can further refine and handle the evolution by scripts using the Google Notebook API.</p>
<p>Then as information and throughts mature I migrate to Google Docs with a simple right click in Google Notebook.</p>
<p>Once in Google Docs I can refine more formally and with the assistance of others if necessary through collaboration.</p>
<p>Then I can also organize data in spreadsheets and evolve aspects into presentations.</p>
<p>From there I can publish to blogger, PDF, a book or whatever publishing format I wish.</p>
<p>I like the Google Platform because of how the applications compliment and work together, however the API is the biggest piece that allows me to work with things programmatically using scripts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ismael Peña-López</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Ismael Peña-López</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if this is a little bit offtopic/fun/frivolous, but Hadley&#039;s comment reminds me of a time were I had to cut and paste (&lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; cut and paste, I mean) some of my citations so I could put them in a coherent order.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I couldn&#039;t succeed doing it on the screen...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can see the results here:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://flickr.com/photos/10176016@N03/2046784747/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://flickr.com/photos/10176016@N03/2046784747/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry Fred ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if this is a little bit offtopic/fun/frivolous, but Hadley&#8217;s comment reminds me of a time were I had to cut and paste (<i>real</i> cut and paste, I mean) some of my citations so I could put them in a coherent order.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t succeed doing it on the screen&#8230;</p>
<p>You can see the results here:<br /><a HREF="http://flickr.com/photos/10176016@N03/2046784747/" REL="nofollow">http://flickr.com/photos/10176016@N03/2046784747/</a></p>
<p>Sorry Fred ;)</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you to everyone for the ideas - I am learning a lot.  Keep the comments coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to everyone for the ideas &#8211; I am learning a lot.  Keep the comments coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2008/01/17/development-approaches-to-writing/comment-page-1/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.literatureandlatte.com/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scrivener &lt;/a&gt; is amazing and accomplishes a lot of what you just described.  It is a great writing environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.literatureandlatte.com/" REL="nofollow">Scrivener </a> is amazing and accomplishes a lot of what you just described.  It is a great writing environment.</p>
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