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		<title>By: hayatkhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>hayatkhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 05:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>due some national security, govt. has postponded the facebook in bangladesh. many members are facing trouble who are useing fb for important requirements. but due some young person mis-use the fb, govt has bounded to stop.

have any alternate way to enter and can do work, which is totally legally ? pl confirm. thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>due some national security, govt. has postponded the facebook in bangladesh. many members are facing trouble who are useing fb for important requirements. but due some young person mis-use the fb, govt has bounded to stop.</p>
<p>have any alternate way to enter and can do work, which is totally legally ? pl confirm. thanks</p>
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		<title>By: nisha</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2010/03/29/facebook-again-to-test-privacy-boundaries/comment-page-1/#comment-58146</link>
		<dc:creator>nisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 10:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With millions of registered members across the globe giving up Facebook to object its privacy policies, the community networking website faces new legal problem in Canada which was involved in forcing it to apply new privacy safeguards previous year.

Read more: http://www.dailylatestnews.com/2010/05/22/facebook-again-into-new-trouble-regarding-members%e2%80%99-privacy-concerns-023983#ixzz0oeYkkPkj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With millions of registered members across the globe giving up Facebook to object its privacy policies, the community networking website faces new legal problem in Canada which was involved in forcing it to apply new privacy safeguards previous year.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.dailylatestnews.com/2010/05/22/facebook-again-into-new-trouble-regarding-members%e2%80%99-privacy-concerns-023983#ixzz0oeYkkPkj" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailylatestnews.com/2010/05/22/facebook-again-into-new-trouble-regarding-members%e2%80%99-privacy-concerns-023983#ixzz0oeYkkPkj</a></p>
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		<title>By: mantruc.com : Random Ideas &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Social Networks &#38; Privacy: My turn to rant about Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>mantruc.com : Random Ideas &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Online Social Networks &#38; Privacy: My turn to rant about Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these days everyone is discussing the FB privacy disaster (some of my favorites are Nancy Baym and Fred Stutzman), yet in practical terms, they have us hooked, there are actually very few people who will leave, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] these days everyone is discussing the FB privacy disaster (some of my favorites are Nancy Baym and Fred Stutzman), yet in practical terms, they have us hooked, there are actually very few people who will leave, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: theharmonyguy</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2010/03/29/facebook-again-to-test-privacy-boundaries/comment-page-1/#comment-54398</link>
		<dc:creator>theharmonyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 01:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@calebtr: What you&#039;re seeing on those sites is a page loaded from Facebook inside of a frame. The site itself does not have access to the contents of that frame, though.

btw, I&#039;ve since learned that my comment about application behavior depends on a few factors - an application doesn&#039;t always have automatic access when you first visit it, but there are definitely a number of cases where it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@calebtr: What you&#8217;re seeing on those sites is a page loaded from Facebook inside of a frame. The site itself does not have access to the contents of that frame, though.</p>
<p>btw, I&#8217;ve since learned that my comment about application behavior depends on a few factors &#8211; an application doesn&#8217;t always have automatic access when you first visit it, but there are definitely a number of cases where it does.</p>
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		<title>By: calebtr</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2010/03/29/facebook-again-to-test-privacy-boundaries/comment-page-1/#comment-54263</link>
		<dc:creator>calebtr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doesn&#039;t facebook already do some of this with advertisements? 

being logged into facebook and visiting a website, a facebook-generated ad for that website&#039;s facebook page will include my friends, for example. when i log out and delete the cookie, my friends are gone. poof!

i also don&#039;t see there is much that consumers can do. sharpen the pitchforks and *then what*? facebook has learned, time and time again, that people weep and moan and never give up their accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doesn&#8217;t facebook already do some of this with advertisements? </p>
<p>being logged into facebook and visiting a website, a facebook-generated ad for that website&#8217;s facebook page will include my friends, for example. when i log out and delete the cookie, my friends are gone. poof!</p>
<p>i also don&#8217;t see there is much that consumers can do. sharpen the pitchforks and *then what*? facebook has learned, time and time again, that people weep and moan and never give up their accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: theharmonyguy</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2010/03/29/facebook-again-to-test-privacy-boundaries/comment-page-1/#comment-53588</link>
		<dc:creator>theharmonyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 03:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The level of disclosure proposed in this new policy is similar (or even identical) to the information disclosure required for use of a Facebook app. The critical difference in the new policy is that while applications require an opt-in, it appears that this new process will require an opt-out.&quot;

Not only is this new policy essentially identical with Facebook apps, the applications are not actually opt-in. When you visit a Facebook app for the first time, it automatically has access to your public information - just as external sites will now have under this new system. When you click &quot;Allow Access&quot; to authorize an application, it then has access to all of your private information - just as external sites can already do via a Facebook Connect authorization. The new system allows any web site to mirror the behavior of Facebook apps, and when it comes to your public information, applications are definitely not opt-in. In fact, there&#039;s not really a way to opt-out of sharing any data with an application that still lets you continue to use the app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The level of disclosure proposed in this new policy is similar (or even identical) to the information disclosure required for use of a Facebook app. The critical difference in the new policy is that while applications require an opt-in, it appears that this new process will require an opt-out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not only is this new policy essentially identical with Facebook apps, the applications are not actually opt-in. When you visit a Facebook app for the first time, it automatically has access to your public information &#8211; just as external sites will now have under this new system. When you click &#8220;Allow Access&#8221; to authorize an application, it then has access to all of your private information &#8211; just as external sites can already do via a Facebook Connect authorization. The new system allows any web site to mirror the behavior of Facebook apps, and when it comes to your public information, applications are definitely not opt-in. In fact, there&#8217;s not really a way to opt-out of sharing any data with an application that still lets you continue to use the app.</p>
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		<title>By: Social Media Security &#187; Facebooks Proposed Privacy Changes: What You Need to Know</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Security &#187; Facebooks Proposed Privacy Changes: What You Need to Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Internet (from theharmonyguy) Yet Again, Facebook Misunderstands Privacy (from MichaelZimmer.org) Facebook Again to Test Privacy Boundaries (from Fred Stutzman) Is Facebook Unliking Privacy? (from the ACLU of Northern [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Internet (from theharmonyguy) Yet Again, Facebook Misunderstands Privacy (from MichaelZimmer.org) Facebook Again to Test Privacy Boundaries (from Fred Stutzman) Is Facebook Unliking Privacy? (from the ACLU of Northern [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bertil Hatt</title>
		<link>http://fstutzman.com/2010/03/29/facebook-again-to-test-privacy-boundaries/comment-page-1/#comment-53468</link>
		<dc:creator>Bertil Hatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t but applaud a sensible approach, although I don&#039;t think Facebook “ask for forgiveness later” has been clumsy; if anything it showed Zuckerberg’s talent, or luck.

Opt-in seems to me to be the most sensible way to do it, and OAuth designs have very interesting ways of structuring that—just look at Fb Connect adoption and usage: this won&#039;t slow the juggernaut. All this noise sounds a lot like “If you want to move two steps ahead, jump three, apologize and look like a good guy by going back ones step” that is now systematic in French politics: we have to look outraged every time, but I can&#039;t really do it sincerely anymore.

One thing scares me, though: the “Fafebook” incident at ReadWriteWeb. If this actually was representative of the lack of understanding of a significant share of users, opt-in won&#039;t help us, and might trigger drama. However, we can&#039;t move forward without teaching those, so we might have to do it now, and be able to tell them “This was properly designed”.

I&#039;d love for Facebook to use research to investigate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t but applaud a sensible approach, although I don&#8217;t think Facebook “ask for forgiveness later” has been clumsy; if anything it showed Zuckerberg’s talent, or luck.</p>
<p>Opt-in seems to me to be the most sensible way to do it, and OAuth designs have very interesting ways of structuring that—just look at Fb Connect adoption and usage: this won&#8217;t slow the juggernaut. All this noise sounds a lot like “If you want to move two steps ahead, jump three, apologize and look like a good guy by going back ones step” that is now systematic in French politics: we have to look outraged every time, but I can&#8217;t really do it sincerely anymore.</p>
<p>One thing scares me, though: the “Fafebook” incident at ReadWriteWeb. If this actually was representative of the lack of understanding of a significant share of users, opt-in won&#8217;t help us, and might trigger drama. However, we can&#8217;t move forward without teaching those, so we might have to do it now, and be able to tell them “This was properly designed”.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love for Facebook to use research to investigate</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Casilli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla Casilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see your argument that Facebook is attempting to monetize their investment with our data, and I agree that their typical communication regarding privacy has been tremendously, dishearteningly cavalier. However, given danah boyd&#039;s anecdotal research that the majority of Facebook users do not understand Facebook&#039;s privacy policy, the ethical ice gets dangerously thin with the proposed implementation of opt-outs. 

Westerners in general desire/expect a certain sense of self-efficacy and autonomy, and currently, the web offers that. This move will challenge that. When you land on a website that seems to know who you are and *thinks* it knows what you want, you&#039;ve entered someone else&#039;s framework of your life. Your sense of who and what you are are now in the public domain. Business thinking such as this tramples on more than individual feelings, it tramples on established social norms and important cultural moorings. Technology implemented solely in search of profits depersonalizes that which makes us special to other humans: we are more than the sum of our parts.

Additionally, while many people use the web as a large mall, stocked with just about everything 24/7, its offerings are not solely for profit and consumerism. To think of it in that way (and only that way) dismisses many of the best aspects that the web has to offer us all: connection, relationships, knowledge, interaction, and yes, anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see your argument that Facebook is attempting to monetize their investment with our data, and I agree that their typical communication regarding privacy has been tremendously, dishearteningly cavalier. However, given danah boyd&#8217;s anecdotal research that the majority of Facebook users do not understand Facebook&#8217;s privacy policy, the ethical ice gets dangerously thin with the proposed implementation of opt-outs. </p>
<p>Westerners in general desire/expect a certain sense of self-efficacy and autonomy, and currently, the web offers that. This move will challenge that. When you land on a website that seems to know who you are and *thinks* it knows what you want, you&#8217;ve entered someone else&#8217;s framework of your life. Your sense of who and what you are are now in the public domain. Business thinking such as this tramples on more than individual feelings, it tramples on established social norms and important cultural moorings. Technology implemented solely in search of profits depersonalizes that which makes us special to other humans: we are more than the sum of our parts.</p>
<p>Additionally, while many people use the web as a large mall, stocked with just about everything 24/7, its offerings are not solely for profit and consumerism. To think of it in that way (and only that way) dismisses many of the best aspects that the web has to offer us all: connection, relationships, knowledge, interaction, and yes, anonymity.</p>
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